Building a new transom

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Building a new transom

#1 Post by Hawk_308 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:13 am

My transom is crap on my pontoon so Im going to need to fix it . What I want to do is move the gas tank to the transom which would allow a little better balnce and move a little weight forward. Heres my plan , use the current transom as a nose cone and add 3 foot to it . Its going to have a flat bottom roughly 15 inches wide angling up . I want to enclose it and add a bilge and live well pumps and of course ill have to put a drain plug on it for when its on the trailer . My only concern is that it is going to mess up the boat handling with the extra flotation in the rear. I notice on the new toons with large rear transom they are ope so they fill with water when stopped .

Have any of yall done this .

BTW the boat is a 24' tracker party barge with a 75hp merc on it . I need to fill out my sig
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Re: Building a new transom

#2 Post by cwag911 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:39 am

Can't help you with the transome but how do you run a 17p prop on a 75hp motor? And a 4-blade no less.
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Re: Building a new transom

#3 Post by BobG » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:47 am

cwag911 wrote:Can't help you with the transome but how do you run a 17p prop on a 75hp motor? And a 4-blade no less.
Slowly? :biggrin2
I'm betting it doesn't get more than 3,000 RPM!
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Re: Building a new transom

#4 Post by Hawk_308 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:57 am

The 15 3 blade I could red line the motor at 3/4 throttle , the 3 blade 17 I ran right on the red line at wide open throttle so thats when I bought a new 4 blade 17p . With just me in it I could red line it at 21/22 mph gps but with the family me plus wife , 2 kids and gear on board it hangs about 200 rpm shy of redlining WOT 19/20mph gps .

By myself , using phone as a gps by here is the speedo
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The smoker at 20 6000 rpm
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3/4 throttle cruising with the family note 4500 rpm which IRRC is around 15 mph
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Re: Building a new transom

#5 Post by BobG » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:03 am

Hawk_308 wrote:The 15 3 blade I could red line the motor at 3/4 throttle , the 3 blade 17 I ran right on the red line at wide open throttle so thats when I bought a new 4 blade 17p . With just me in it I could red line it at 21/22 mph gps but with the family me plus wife , 2 kids and gear on board it hangs about 200 rpm shy of redlining WOT 19/20mph gps .
Interesting - what's your red-line RPM on that motor? Mine is supposed to hit 6,000 RPM at wide open throttle.
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Re: Building a new transom

#6 Post by Hawk_308 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:10 am

Edited my previous post with pics and explanations .
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Re: Building a new transom

#7 Post by curtiscapk » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:11 am

The 15 3 blade I could red line the motor at 3/4 throttle , the 3 blade 17 I ran right on the red line at wide open throttle so thats when I bought a new 4 blade 17p . With just me in it I could red line it at 21/22 mph gps but with the family me plus wife , 2 kids and gear on board it hangs about 200 rpm shy of redlining WOT 19/20mph gps .

By myself , using phone as a gps by here is the speedo


The smoker at 20 6000 rpm That seems awfully high! My 94 merc 115 redlines at 5250.....
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Re: Building a new transom

#8 Post by Hawk_308 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:18 am

My last bass boat red lined at 6000 and this boat the tach is marked red at 6000 and above .
Heres the prop
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BTW I tried a 19 pitch 3 blade it would do 5500 at wot but I couldnt control the boat a low speed and I was worried about loaded . I did get it up to 25 though :nana
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Re: Building a new transom

#9 Post by rancherlee » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:59 pm

Your tach has to be set wrong or you REALLY have cavitation issues. I have a beefy 2.42 ratio gear case and only run a 13 pitch prop to turn 6000rpm @ 28mph. When I had my engine on a 16' fishing boat I ran a 17 pitch at 37mph. If your getting 20mph out of it then it can't be slipping that bad so the tach must be B.O. or set to the wrong pole count.
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Re: Building a new transom

#10 Post by r&s20 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:15 pm

rancherlee wrote:Your tach has to be set wrong or you REALLY have cavitation issues. I have a beefy 2.42 ratio gear case and only run a 13 pitch prop to turn 6000rpm @ 28mph. When I had my engine on a 16' fishing boat I ran a 17 pitch at 37mph. If your getting 20mph out of it then it can't be slipping that bad so the tach must be B.O. or set to the wrong pole count.
i have to agree, somethings not right. i'm running a 14 x 12 on a 20 foot fish and cruise pontoon with a 90 hp.best i've done is 27 mph (gps). a 17p would choke it down to a crawl.
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Re: Building a new transom

#11 Post by Hawk_308 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:16 pm

It didnt make sense to me , but Ive checked the RPM with a mini tach and the mark 1 ear and its right . Now Cavitation might be an issue , I have the motor as low as I get and its hanging back a ways on the cmc trim so :donno The motor feels like its hooking up and doesnt sound like its "breaking free" Here is how the motor sets , its trimmed up a bit here but you can get the idea and see the setting water line on the trim .
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My last bassboat had a 90 hp johnson and I ran a 17 for tight water or with a load and a 19 for when I was running light or big water . When I got the pontoon boat it had a 15p 3 blade on it ,which surprised me Id figure it would have a 13 p on it .The 19 pitch would pull down the motor under acceleration , if the 17 was cavitating I would think it would be more noticable with the 19 when I tested it .
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Re: Building a new transom

#12 Post by curtiscapk » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:09 am

Do I see a jackplate as well????? That could be where the difference is... :donno
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Re: Building a new transom

#13 Post by Hawk_308 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:45 am

curtiscapk wrote:Do I see a jackplate as well????? That could be where the difference is... :donno
Thats the CMC trim , the motor has no trim on it .

Oh trimmed down the motor skeg is about 3 -4 inches off the ground with the boat on the trailer .
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#14 Post by Hawk_308 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:57 am

Well back to the transom and after doing some research I think Im going to make it large enough to hold my 21 gal gas tank and up two 4 batteries that I can access via door in the floor . My best friend that is a experienced TIG welder that offered to glue it together for me since I have no experience welding aluminum wants me to go all out to a 3.0 or even a 4.3 I/O settup. I want to replace the motor sooner or later anyway for a fourstoke which I/O ing it would accomplish that on the cheap compared to the price of a new 4 stroke outboard .He can get me a 3.0 with alpha drive for about 500 bucks which is tempting I also have a 4.3 setting in my carport right now ....What do yall think?
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