What I encountered when adding a 3rd toon

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What I encountered when adding a 3rd toon

#1 Post by mofn » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:56 am

After years of reading off on and on about what posters had to say about adding a 3rd toon, I hemmed and hawed for seven years, but I finally pulled the trigger, and added one myself. Below I list what I ran into during the process of hanging the tube, so others can be a little more prepared than I was, and avoid some traps I ran into.
Milk creates; they are the perfect height to use as a seat under the boat while hanging the tube.
Drill bit, I went one size bigger than the bolt, and it helped a lot.
Bolts, I used inch and a half in length, I feel I should have used 1 inch instead. What I used was too long for a socket to go all the way, when tighten from the bottom. This then forced me use the socket from the top. This was further compounded as an issue due to the limited space from the bottom of the rib too the flooring. And I had a hard time keeping the socket on top of the bolt due to angles you are in due to a lack of space between the toons. A plug socket will not fit due to the rib and floor. Also you should have two people tighten the bolts, one on the socket and one on the wrench, I did it myself and this caused it to take much longer. As an example, the second morning I had to redrill 4 holes took 2 minutes tops, bolts through the four holes and then tighten up all the rest of the nuts, took 2 hours ten minutes. I think I could have had it done in 50 minutes or less if I used the 1 inch bolts and 2 people?
Used only one locking nut and gave up, due to the issues listed above with the bolts and how hard the locking nuts were to tighten. I then used normal nuts to hold the tube up. Due to pounding from the water, I do not trust the single nuts to hold on their own. I did not use lock tight on the first nuts. I have since added a second nut with lock tight to hold the first one in. I know it’s over kill, but I now have zero worries about anything coming loose. The second nut was not an issue going on due to the length was now shorter on the bolt, and they went on very fast using just the socket.
For a wrench, use a good quality one, I used a cheap one to start out and I stretched it out very soon, and had to get a second one out of the tool box.
Gloves, you will need them if you use a socket from the top side as I did. Your hand is scrapping the top of the flooring and your hand will get roughed up and bloody fast.
Due to size and shape of the toon, and the angles do not bother in buying an off-set drill unit. Will not work, due to the length of the drill, puts you right back to square one. If you can cut the drill to make it say ¾ of an inch long, you may get away with it????
Very large nails 3 to 4, new with sharp points. I used them to score the metal for lines, used to punch a start holes for the drill to bite into, and used them in lining up holes to put the bolts in, very handy.
Costs I did not factor in. Steering cable I need one, due to motor is back a little further ($180.00). Same with the throttle lines ($40.00 each), for the same reasons.
Order one early in the year to get it in, I waited 2 weeks longer than I should have, and had to make a May 17th date for tune up and re-hang the motor, still waiting as of today to get it back.

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Re: What I encountered when adding a 3rd toon

#2 Post by curtiscapk » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:13 am

Nice post Guy you forgot one thing however!!!! :pics :pics :pics :pics :pics :pics :pics :pics :pics
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#3 Post by spurhunter » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:57 am

Some really good info. I used a pneumatic ratchet which cuts the tightening time down to about 4 second's per bolt, and no scraped knuckles. WELL worth the investment.
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#4 Post by gramps » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:08 am

You forgot the most important, what did it do for you?
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Re: What I encountered when adding a 3rd toon

#5 Post by mofn » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:16 am

To answer questions asked
1) Tried to post the pics twice, will not let me, it says they are over 2 mg. And they are both good pics!
2) If you had the room for pneumatic rachet, and own one that is the way to go. Also be careful with fumes from a generator, I need one where it was at a storeage lot. Twice had to move it, could smell fumes, and you do not want to mess with co2.
3) What did it do? Can not answer that yet, the boat place is porking me, day 17 after it was to be done! Just got back from there (3rd motivational vist), they say this afternoon, but if their lips are moving they are lying! Can say this the tube is notched, and going from the transom as it was mounted, I think the motor could be up to 12 inches lower on the new set up. As of now I'm hoping to grab alot of clean water?? I'm also hoping for a 4-5 inch lift total, from the new toon????? I have the old style 19 inch toons on the outside.
And with the new toon it's has a motor mount, the toon carries the weight now, not the boat, not sure if that is a factor or not????
The new center log has a rating of 1256 pounds of lift. If I remember the boat was rated for 1600 something, not 100% on that number?? Once I have a shake down cruise will post the good or gory details. And if anybody can tell how to get around the 2 mb limit, I'm all ears.

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#6 Post by mofn » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:58 pm

The new center tube, 24" with motor mount as shown. 19" toons on the outside.
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#7 Post by mofn » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:59 pm

Second pic of the center toon
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#8 Post by rbiederwolf » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:06 am

Getting ready to do the same.The center toon should be at the dealer by end of June. He is tellig me they only need 2-3 days to mount the new tube and connect the engine - 17days???????

Anyway please post the differences. The dealer tells me with the same engine I should notice 3-4 for mph. However I plan on adding a 150hp

BTW I am also adding strakes to the two outside tubes as well.
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#9 Post by BobG » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:28 am

mofn wrote:Bolts, I used inch and a half in length, I feel I should have used 1 inch instead. What I used was too long for a socket to go all the way, when tighten from the bottom.
What? You don't own any deep-well sockets? No problem tightening 1.5" bolts with a deep-well. And I definitely would have gone with nylock nuts.
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#10 Post by mofn » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:50 pm

Before the update to answer some responses:
I should have taking the time to try to see if I could have bought a deep well socket, yes...would have saved me hours in time. Live and learn.
As for the dealer taking 2-3 days, here is what it took me.
Day 1, started at 9 a.m. prep work until 11. I had my father with me, he is 78 with two fake knees...he was the gopher and helped slided the toon in and out as needed. He was there until 3 p.m. from 3 to 8 p.m. I was solo. Next day 9 a.m. to about noon, the two of us, all done! You have someone who can work with you on the other side on the toon as you work your way down, bypassing my listed errors, you can do this in 6-8 hours tops. The bolts are what killed me!
Now for the update, have pics will put them up soon. Just got back from the big lake, and was blown away by how high it's riding! The pics, due to the angles do not due it justice. I gained more than four maybe six inches????? No saggy butt in the rear anymore. What shocked me was I gained in the front also. The front curve of the toon looks to be only drafting a inch to 1 1/2 inches?? It looks to be level across the length of the boat, something I did not think would happen. As for how it ran, only moved from one dock to another, and I then flooded the hell out of it, and gave up trying to start it, rain... was loading stuff on it... just gave up on it. Will be back on Saturday too take it out then.
As for the person who was going to add strakes, hold off. Mine may be diffrent from yours, I do run light, as far as having a ton of toon furniture etc etc. With the front now drafting so little, I think i'll get up on plane much faster?????? Will know Saturday, the magic number to beat is 21.9 mph, before to day I was just hoping to keep that, I now think I can beat it! I wish I did this years ago, after seeing the results so far!

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#11 Post by RonKMiller » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:20 am

I'm not surprised you are riding that much higher - you added an extra 4,342.80 pounds of flotation! :shock:

(BTW, your outside toons are worth 2,656.80 pounds each.)

My bet is you won't see any higher top speed due to the extra drag.

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#12 Post by mofn » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:21 am

Pic before it started to rain. After reading the last post checked the graph at the place I bought it from. I screwed up, it's 1276 lbs of "weight capacity" my bad.
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#13 Post by mofn » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:23 am

A little closer
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#14 Post by Mrtoler » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:50 pm

Go run that thing across that water a few times so we can know the new numbers :nana :nana :nana
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#15 Post by spurhunter » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:19 pm

Holy shit that thing rides high!!!! I bet your speed will be pretty good, yes there is extra log in the water, but your going to be riding so high its going to act like a damn flat bottom! LOL
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