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Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:18 pm
by Ddancers
My dealer wants to upgrade me to 150 hp from a 115 to get rid of cavitation problem. I do a lot of fishing, and use the 115 a lot for trolling.
I can go as slow as 2.1 on normal day with the 115hp.
How well does a 150 Yamaha do trolling and roughly how slow can you troll?
Thanks
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:19 pm
by Bamaman
It would be the same. I don't do any trolling, however what's wrong with an electric trolling motor like used by bass fishermen? They make long shaft and very strong trolling motors.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:24 pm
by Ddancers
Bamaman wrote:It would be the same. I don't do any trolling, however what's wrong with an electric trolling motor like used by bass fishermen? They make long shaft and very strong trolling motors.
I have a trolling motor, but to maintain 2.2 mph in any type of head wind on a 25' 8" pontoon will drain my 24 volt system very fast.
My preferred trolling speed is 1.9 to 2.2 mph and with a 5 mph head wind my 115 does that very well.
I use the trolling motor as a controller when winds are over 5 mph.
The iPilot has a feature that will provide the necessary additional trust to maintain exactly 2.2 mph in wind conditions over 5 mph.
This type of find tuning is not possible with the engine throttle I have.
Because the 115 moves the boat slow enough for trolling at 600 rpms, and is slow enough for supplementing capability I can use it as my main trolling power.
This also allows me to use the iPilot to steer the boat on a straight course while I land fish.
So if the 150 hp trolls much faster at 600 rpms than the 115 hp I prefer not to upgrade.
I know at 600 rpms the 150 uses 20% more gas but I can live with that.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:40 am
by rancherlee
My DF140 trolls down to 1.9mph with my heavy load prop (4 blade 17p) but it also idles at 625rpm which is about as low as I've seen an outboard idle, most are 750-850 range for idle. It trolls slower than the 70hp 4 stroke I had that idled at 800. Heck, I'm even debating on installing my 9.9 kicker again as the 140 trolls so slow and doesn't use much more gas trolling. You could always look into a trolling plate or getting a prop with a lower pitch if the plan for the day is fishing.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:45 am
by Kramfam
I posted this the other day in response to someone with a 175 Verado looking to troll:
[quote][/Ditto on the drift sock. Used it on my old boat which had had a 270hp on it and also use it on the pontoon. The drift dock I have is adjustable so I can easily change speeds.quote]
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:13 am
by Ddancers
Kramfam wrote:I posted this the other day in response to someone with a 175 Verado looking to troll:
[/Ditto on the drift sock. Used it on my old boat which had had a 270hp on it and also use it on the pontoon. The drift dock I have is adjustable so I can easily change speeds.quote]
Question - drift sock - Do they get in the way of line when bringing fish in?
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:21 pm
by Kramfam
I have a 2 log boat so I just attach it to the trailering eye hook right under the front deck...completely out of the way.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:13 pm
by JBO
My drift sock experience is limited, but the drift sock we purchased (attaching at the front of the boat, between the logs) seems to control the front of the boat too much to be usable. It makes controlling the boat difficult as the front keeps wanting to over-correct. We may have too large of a drift sock though?
I've heard a 5gallon bucket with holes in the bottom of the bucket make for a pretty good drift sock that also doubles as a bucket to hold rope, etc. I haven't tried it, however.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:17 pm
by mpilot
JBO wrote:My drift sock experience is limited, but the drift sock we purchased (attaching at the front of the boat, between the logs) seems to control the front of the boat too much to be usable. It makes controlling the boat difficult as the front keeps wanting to over-correct. We may have too large of a drift sock though?
I've heard a 5gallon bucket with holes in the bottom of the bucket make for a pretty good drift sock that also doubles as a bucket to hold rope, etc. I haven't tried it, however.
On my bowrider I had to use the 5 gallon bucket with 5 holes deal to slow the boat down when trolling. Old girl didn't like to idle for a long time under around 900 rpm. I tied it off to the front cleat of the boat and laid it down one side. Granted that boat had a little wander at idle anyway so I'm not really sure what it did....if I remember right if I put it on one side or the other of the bow it actually helped offset the prop walk and wander. It did a great job though. I can get my tritoon right around 2 mph at idle but haven't trolled with her yet as I haven't talked the wife into any rod holders she likes on the boat yet. I tried running 2 umbrella rigs before but with one person that gets a little dicey when you hook up so I think I will stick to one on the toon by myself.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:26 pm
by PlaynDoc
just posted this a couple days ago, too...
before i installed my trolling motor, i used a 'home made' drift sock...
here's how I made it.
Parts: one 5 gallon plastic bucket; one "Y" tow rope (like for attaching to the back eyes on the logs when towing tubes); 1-1/2" drill bit; 3/4" drill bit
took the 5 gallon bucket and 1 1/2" drill bit.. drilled one hole in the center of the bottom, and 4 holes around the sides, about 2" above the bottom of the bucket... then, a put two smaller holes near the rim, opposite of each other..... then attached the "Y" yoke to the FRONT log eyes... and let the sock/bucket drag under the boat, instead of behind boat. that way, fishing lines wouldn't get caught in ropes when reeling them in.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:21 am
by Ddancers
Good feedback thanks everyone.
I like the bucket idea, but would have to use aft because trolling motor is up front.
Wondering if I hand two smaller ones on each eyelid how that would work.
And perhaps have a rope attached so I can pull up and tie off when not in use making it easier to deploy.
First have to wait, and see if 150hp will be the way we go. I’m happy with the 115hp and would like to avoid the upgrade cost, and increase in fuel consumption.
If they give me an exceptional deal I’m likely to make the switch just too quickly resolve the current poor performance issue.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:30 am
by mzodarg
I'm a little late to the discussion but I also use the 5 gallon bucket x2 method. I tie off to the both front cleats. I tried one bucket but the toon would pull hard to the side the bucket was on if you had to let go of the wheel for second.
I'm in the process of rigging a a 2016 waverunner to fish off of and looks like I'll be using a drift bag to slow it down. It has wake control but it pushes it at 5mph and I haven't tried the cruise control to see if I can set it at a lower speed yet.
Re: Anyone have a 24' toon with 150 hp and troll fish
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:46 am
by Bamby
Sounds as if you should have had them install a Yamaha Smart Gauge. With it you can bump rpms up or down in 50 rpm increments to dial in on the speed you're seeking to troll at.
CommandLink pg. 10.
Adjusting trolling speed
You can adjust the trolling speed randomly
by increasing or decreasing it approximately
50 r/min.
When in the trolling speed setting mode, the
display switches to the normal display when
the engine speed is increased (within 3,000
r/min) using the throttle. When the throttle is
closed, the display returns to the trolling
speed setting mode.
This function is not available for outboard
motors that are not equipped with the trolling
speed adjustment function.
1. MODE(1 second): To activate the trolling
speed setting mode.
2 SET.: To decrease the engine speed.
3 MODE.: To increase the engine speed.
4. SET : (1 second): To return to the nor-
mal display and to the default engine
idle speed.
NOTE:
•Trolling is affected by currents and other
operating conditions and may differ from
the actual engine speed.
•The default engine idle speed is reset
automatically when the display is switched
to the normal display. The default engine
idle speed is also reset automatically
when the engine is turned off or when the
engine speed exceeds 3,000 r/min.
•When warming up a cold engine, the troll-
ing speed cannot be decreased below the
specified engine idle speed.
•Depending on the model of the outboard
motor, some functions may not be com-
patible. For information on models which
contain the compatible functions, consult
a Yamaha dealer.