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Lifting strakes

#1 Post by wvdbtminer » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:03 pm

I have a 2008 south bay 722CR with 115HP and I am interested in adding lifting strakes. Dose anyone know where I can get lifting strakes made, and some kind of drawings for placement?
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Re: Lifting strakes

#2 Post by dockholiday » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:46 pm

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Don't have an answer, but can tell by the wording in your question, you realize they have to be installed properly and placement is critical.
Seems even manufacturers have different ideas,even on sizing some use 2 some use 4 and think Tracker uses 6 inch ones. Mine are 2 inch an are on either side of each log. They lift the boat really well but being on the outside of the logs they bite when you are attempting to turn sharply at high speed. Not an issue to me but someone doing a lot of skiing an constantly whipping around to pick up a down skier it might get old. Think I would check with the dealers and then maybe a good fab shop. Good Luck
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Re: Lifting strakes

#3 Post by rrhodes » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:26 pm

Strakes are actually an option for your boat new. I would contact a dealer and have them contact the manufacturer, they should be able to order the strakes and provide details on where to install them on the logs. I am sure that they have spent a lot of time and money developing them for your boat.

Installed correctly your 115hp should be enough on your 22' toon but get the install wrong and they can actually slow you down. My manufacturer advised me not to add them to mine unless I upgrade the motor but I have a bigger toon.
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Re: Lifting strakes

#4 Post by Bmac » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:33 pm

I'll probably get some hate'n for this,but for discussion sake this is my opinion and mine only.

I don't think adding lifting strakes to a pontoon is rocket science. You don't need an engineering degree,skill and common sense yes. I done some research before adding mine,also discovering that the manufactures are all over the spectrum. You'll find different sizes,shapes,angles,lengths,numbers,and mounting locations. Some even dabbling with combinations across 3 tubes. I'm sure everyone of them think they have the answer. If one method used so far was far superior they'd all be copying it by now. There's just not enough difference in them so far with the speeds and weight of a pontoon. This could change soon with the bigger hp ratings.

Making something plane isn't hard,hell a metal shop door with an outboard mounted on it will plane. Getting it to handle right takes trial and error though. That's where all the different styles of strakes being used come into play. Area of the planing surface determines lift. If you loose speed with strakes either they're mounted way out of wack,your bow is too heavy,or you don't have the power to jump it up on plane. Without the power you have the drag of the strakes trying to lift the hull actually slowing you down. As long as you stay parallel with the centerlines of the tube (mine are straighter than the factory center tube),and your not setting with your bow lower than the stern it's gonna climb with enough power.

Next you need to worry about the stresses it places on the tube and it's mounting brackets. Spread the load. If you plan on gaining a lot more speed look into beefing up the deck frame. With any modification there is risk. Stay within the relm of what the manufactures have done instead of re-inventing the wheel. Duplicating or exceeding them isn't difficult. These pontoons are just a big erector set on tubes. Welding on the tubes is the hardest part about it. As far as giving advice,not until I've run mine through the mill for a while. The strakes I bought from a guy in Missouri,but you have to pay cash and pick them up yourself.

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Re: Lifting strakes

#5 Post by The_Hellbilly » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:28 am

FWIW, here are some pics of my strakes and I agree with BMAC:
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Re: Lifting strakes

#6 Post by spurhunter » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:07 am

[quote="The_Hellbilly"]FWIW, here are some pics of my strakes and I agree with BMAC:

Are these factory strakes or did you have them added aftermarket? I really appreciate you putting these pics on here for us!
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Re: Lifting strakes

#7 Post by The_Hellbilly » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:29 am

Spurhunter: those are factory from Voyager. IMO they don't seem to be too complicated. I took the pics last year when this topic came up, but was too lazy to dig up the old post.
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Re: Lifting strakes

#8 Post by playcat » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:39 am

BMAC is right on. Planing strakes are all about adding flat area to lift the boat. Less area needs more horsepower. Tracker had these NV logs that would plane a 2 log toon with a 90 hp outboard, but they used 6 inch wide strakes on both sides of the pontoon. The result was a toon that went fine in a straight line but turning it stayed flat or maybe leaned to the outside in a turn. Folks wanted the turning more than the lift I guess since Tracker does not offer them any longer.
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Re: Lifting strakes

#9 Post by ToonGuy » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:49 am

Factory installed...
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Re: Lifting strakes

#10 Post by spurhunter » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:49 am

I am really wanting to get this done now. Any suggestions on where to start? I have access to the material, but I dont have a break to fashion it, or a welder to do it.
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#11 Post by spurhunter » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:57 am

ToonGuy wrote:Factory installed...
What brand of boat is that?
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Re: Lifting strakes

#12 Post by wvdbtminer » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:59 am

Thanks everyone for the input, I'm waiting on southbay to call me back with some info.
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#13 Post by wvdbtminer » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:11 am

Ok, so I finally got an answer from south bay and they told me that the lifting strakes would not be that much of an improvement(Kinda disagree but hey) They told me to go with the under skinning, they said that the water hitting the smooth surface under the boat would actually give me more lift than the strakes.
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Re: Lifting strakes

#14 Post by STEVEBRENDA » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:16 am

I would start with the under skinning. This is a relatively cheap start. It may add a mile or two, but more importantly, you will get a smoother ride.

I think lifting strakes will help.
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#15 Post by rrhodes » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:26 am

wvdbtminer wrote:Ok, so I finally got an answer from south bay and they told me that the lifting strakes would not be that much of an improvement(Kinda disagree but hey) They told me to go with the under skinning, they said that the water hitting the smooth surface under the boat would actually give me more lift than the strakes.
LOL... Okay, I agree that skinning helps but I would not say it provides lift. It simply stops the surging you get from the water hitting your cross members. But lift??? I would say the guy you talked too was an idiot. Anyway, I am not sure that strakes will do any good with your HP vs weight. If your motor can't get you on plane then it will actually slow you down however I tend to disagree with my manufacturer when they told me I don't have enough HP to get on plane but I am not willing to spend the money only to find out they were right and I actually end up slowing my boat down.
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